I look to the blog and see 11 comments to last night's report to the Special Task Force (demanding an investigation of the Apathy-Remora "win" over Pandemonium Warden, a clear violation of the Terms of Service...)
I responded to most of them, but you might want a look at the comment list yourself, because I don't care to dignify most of these with recopying them here. But I did want to raise several points which probably should be raised, and all I can say is: Given what I've heard from these jokers, "Be afraid, be very afraid."
Hogie48 agrees with that it may not have been what Square-Enix intended, but thinks I have a burr up my ass.
He's right on both counts, and the reason (as I said) that I have a burr up my ass is that it appears as if the player-base does not give two damns about actually playing the game with any sense of honor, integrity, or anything else.
Which see a number of these other comments, like this one:
"Idiots who have never even killed Kirin or struggled to do so should not be able to Q.Q like little bitches." -- Brandon
Brandon, then stop me from "Q.Q"-ing, bitch.
Not only that, Brandon, but (as I said in my comment) it would appear to me as if you are all but admitting that the game is unplayable (to you, and to many others) without cheating the system -- that you cannot beat Kirin without violating the rules. At that point, I would then go back to what I said to Square-Enix: What exploits are allowed, and what are not? This is why you don't want to go there: because it appears that there are many players who cannot play Final Fantasy XI without cheating like that.
And I have to say to them (including you, Brandon, it sounds like from what you are saying): Go screw around with World of Warcraft.
Maxxthepenguin missed the point of the entire last two weeks when he claimed that Square-Enix could've coded logging out so as not to reset hate, but they didn't.
This would, in fact, constitute a third charge against Apathy, unless you openly wish to state that you don't believe the Salvage-dupers should've been banned - that it was all Square-Enix' fault, as usual... Right, Maxx??
Xx asks why I have to "be like that"... Answer: Because of people like you.
Next comment basically gets to a heart of the matter.
Raen Ryong basically says I'm jealous that someone else has PW drops and I don't.
There is an old truism that many people live by, that the "ends justify the means". That it doesn't matter what tactics you use, as long as you "win".
Raen: You are a fucking bastard, and are exposed as such. I am not jealous as to the PW drops they got, and, not only that, but I would like to believe I demand that any items dropped in the game are won fairly. You, sir, don't seem to give a shit about fairness, the rules, or integrity. So I ask you whether you play the game, or game the system...
I go back to the comment I heard someone (and I wish I had at least the nick this person used) on VanaChat the Friday night of FanFest when he/she said half the players in the game cheat. I reiterate my stand: Given that, the game has no future and should have no future. And if people like Raen are going to claim it's all about the drops, all about the status, all about "1337 pwnage!!11111!!111!11!11", then you, like most American gamers, suck.
To Titanss: No, you don't cross my mind, and I wonder if you have a mind for anything _to_ cross...
Robert clarifies the apparent strategy in his comment, but misses one key point here:
It doesn't matter one whit whether the logging out is necessary or simply a matter "to be safe". That is _irrelevant to the discussion_. The fact is they committed an act to gain an unfair advantage which was outside the one stated purpose of logging out: To leave Final Fantasy XI. Any purpose within the game itself, outside of departure (which could, essentially, mean any purpose within the game), constitutes a breach of the rules.
And then he asks what I have to consider one of the most ridiculous questions I've ever heard on the Internet: He asks if I was one of the Salvage-dupers...
I'm not insulted by the question itself, but more of the insult of my intelligence. The question itself is actually an off-shoot of something I said earlier: The actions of the Salvage-dupers bring into question the integrity of every high-level player in the game, _including me_.
But how anyone who could read this blog come up with that question with any degree of intelligence is beyond my personal level of comprehension.
Onward to Stephanie: So when you accidentally agg something which will kill you and cannot zone, she gives two options:
a) Sleep it and log out.
b) Take it like a man and die.
(Of course, she fails to understand the possibility of sleeping it and running and hope it triggers the anti-MPK situation, but that might even be a violation of the rules.)
The answer is simple: You get a dirt nap. Get raised or home-pointed. Again, there is ONE purpose to logging out -- to leave. Any other action can be stated as a breach of the rules and actionable as such.
Maybe it's time for Square-Enix to get real nasty and turn Garlaige Citadel into Garlaige Shit-a-del again, because it can no longer assume the players are going to play honestly. You are not allowed to leave the game just because you got an inconvenient pull. I got one today in Jugner in the Shadowrealm as I was running back from triggering the questionnaire in Dancers in Distress (one of the new WotG missions)... I ate my 2400-point drop like a man. Got another one farming in the promies today. Ate that one too, with frustration.
If you always have to win, it doesn't make the victory worth anything. If you aren't willing to actually work within the system, the win becomes a cheat. Perhaps that's why people can't play fairly anymore: We've become so used, as gamers, as needing this cheat or that hack or the other exploit that we truly can't play the game anymore.
Stephanie: The Salvage-dupes were "standard game knowledge" -- a "dirty little secret" the end-gamers had (even though my roommate is correct that it could not have been completely absent any knowledge by Square-Enix...) to exploit the shitty drop rates.
Logging out for any other purpose than leaving the game (if for five minutes or five years) is NOT using the game mechanic as intended, and using it for an advantage in-game is ILLEGAL.
Brent: The answer to your first question has been addressed above several times: Since the action is outside the purpose of the game mechanic: Yes, they should be punished, and banned if that's what it calls for. They broke the rules by manipulating a game mechanic to create an unfair advantage (that one commenter has said they may not have even needed!!!).
If you can't get that clear, then I question how many such things you've exploited over the course of time.
And then you flame the salvage-dupers, and then praise Apathy for "Players adapt, and that's what they did."?? You're trying to have it both ways, and I'm not falling for that garbage. One or the other -- you can't praise these guys and dump on the dupers. They're essentially the same thing -- why does one abuse and the other "adapt"?
Logging to clear hate is an unfair advantage and an exploit of PW's code on top of it (that clearing all hate from PW stops all attacks from it until new hate is instituted).
ineedproof123456 only can count to 6, but basically gives a nice demonstration of administrative double-talk. They let this stand, he should almost go to work for Square-Enix.
Paul is trying to rewrite history, I fear, so I will spare him the further embarrassment.
Several things are becoming quite clear:
1) Much of the player-base does not know how to kill anything above a worm fairly.
2) The ends, clearly, justify the means for most of these jokers.
and 3) The only reason I'm still playing FFXI is to spite these idiots. I clearly cannot enjoy the game with them around, but I'll still be there to be a thorn in their sides.