Announcement today in the Official Forums: The "feature" which allows players to rename the lamps to know the order in advance in Nyzul has been discovered and declared.
Yet another admission that Square-Enix never designed this event to be Floor 100-clearable under the Terms of Service. Has ANYONE dared try to collect on Pimpchan's Challenge, yet?
You CAN'T DO IT.
You'd be pressing it to get Floor 60 legal without good jumps. 100? Not happening without a number of exploits, and Square-Enix basically has to come out and admit it.
Castoth from Shiva fires the first salvo -- in both directions -- and he's correct!
Why not just remove lamp floors entirely instead? This event is the
most broken thing in FFXI as is, reducing the success rate of the
cheaters to 0% (like the non-cheaters) will just make Neo Nyzul
completely dead instead of just mostly dead.
The fact is that Square-Enix never designed this event to be legally clearable. And this is the FOURTH TIME (at least) that they've done this:
1) AV at 75
2) Pandemonium Warden at 75
3) Salvage, and their drops in general
They'd have done the same to Voidwatch had the event not changed entirely the drop mechanisms.
But the facts are clear: There are events in this game which were never intended to be legally defeatable.
Kaliyah from Fenrir:
I wonder if it will be as grandiose as the salvage bans with people
saying "They were just jealous of my awesome skills they couldn't
replicate so they banned me"
That's really the next question, isn't it? Are we going to get a ton of Neo-Nyzul bans? I'd have to think anyone running around with L100-clear Neo-Nyzul gear has to be under at least some degree of suspicion.
And Malthar from Leviathan says it face up on page 2:
"And if you want to know who is "using third-party tools or any form of
game exploit" just look at who has F100 gear because I can 100%
guarantee nobody got that gear without cheating."
And then the world-famous cheating asshole, Draylo from Leviathan, has to come in and completely air-ball on the point:
Are you an idiot? That squashes any hopes of you getting a win at all,
at least before you could have leeched wins off the real players that
aren't helpless and need their hand held like some of the annoying
casuals on these forums.
Listen, motherfucker. I know who you are, and I know who you hang with, and I know your reputation. Everything you have ever done in this game is invalid. Your gear, your research, your rep, everything, INVALID.
And that you completely miss the point here is why. You and yours at BG have de-legitimized the entire North American player community in this game, apparently into it's relations with Square-Enix in and of itself. (Yeah, I'm talking to you two from the VanaFest 2012 stream!)
The fact is that you never had the right to win the content, because the content was not winnable legally. Without Windower, Clipper, .dat mods, etc., you can't win the content. And you deliberately ignore that in the face of forcing your and BG's superiorities on the rest of us.
You have stolen your gear, your play experience, and a lot of valuable items from Square-Enix and the rest of us, to the point that the Japanese S-E people do not respect the American players a whit.
With people like you on top, bitch, WHY SHOULD THEY?
Until BG is taken care of, Square-Enix openly SHOULD be Japanese-centric in their relations with the players. You've damaged every one of our play experiences in the name of your fucking superiority.
Go the fuck away, shithead.
You remind me of Dreamx, who I reported to the STF for openly endorsing Windower to my face and saying it would make me a better player. Makes me wonder if he'd openly walk up to a "lesser person" track athlete and openly espouse the use of steroids, being only steroid-taking athletes are relevant on the track (as you believe only advantage-taking players are relevant here)...
Alvian from Phoenix: Draylo is one of the main people from a cheaters' website called BluGartr, who the US Community Team can't seem to get their mouths off of BG's dick. I'd say there's an admission.
What he's saying is that he's sick of having to hold the hands of lesser players and be handcuffed out of his monopolization of the content through openly known and endorsed illegal mechanisms. They're all over the BG site.
Camiie from Fenrir has thoughts for both sides:
To the players: Don't cheat for gear no matter how awesome it is or how unfair the event it's hidden behind is.
The problem with that is that, for many players, their sole enjoyment of the game of the belittlement and derision of other "lesser persons" on the game. Their enjoyment of the game is literally from their nose-in-the-air superiority. They would not be here otherwise!
To SE: Don't create events where people feel the need to cheat to even have a chance.
There's only one problem: Square-Enix (Japan) is doing this as a GM double-check.
Why do you think Tanaka was so into "BARANCE" in the last months of his administration here? He is trying to counter the efforts of the BG community to force any relevant player to bot, cheat, and force all other players into submission.
Philemon from Valefor:
I'd like to point out that there are a ton of JPs with Nyzul gear. What
conclusion can we draw from this? I think the most infuriating thing
is that a lot of posters on the JP forum seem to think this is strictly
an NA issue when it's the entire FFXI population.
If it's just the NA's, then why wouldn't a JP player take that challenge that Pimpchan had. Five Umbral Marrows for a video of a clean F100 clear.
The problem is that many JP's (and with justification!) believe that the most prominent NA players see cheating as an absolute necessity for game enjoyment.
Jem from Asura:
Hilarious how this is suddenly an issue because the JP's are in uproar
about it on their forums after discovering our video. Yet it was a
complete non-issue when we originally posted the video way back in April
on these forums, said DAT edits were used AND a Dev even posted in the
topic. Nothing was done or said about it because it was NA/EU players.
Be careful what you ask for, bitch. You seem to forget that Square-Enix only acted on the Salvage duping after knowing about it for eighteen months! when people were complaining outside the game.
I hope you're one of the first to (have your characters) die in a fire.
Phogg from Phoenix figured it out...
So your point is a that preventing the use of cheats will prevent anyone
from winning, and that prior to this only "real players" can win,
therefore only people who use cheats are "real players"? You're silly.
The problem is: He's [Draylo] got gear and you "don't". That makes him want to force you to suck his dick.
Ends justify the means and all.
Karbuncle, another BitchGartr idiot, misses the point as well:
I mean, I understand its definitely an exploit, But at the same time,
Maybe they could try making the Event less of a kick in the dick than
just nerfing everyone and everything who/that wins like they did with
AV. Should remove Order lamps entirely, Its a run killer to even the
best group, because it eats time.
The entire design of the event was a kick in the dick. Working As Intended. And YOU and YOUR MOTHERFUCKING CHEATING ASSTARDS at BG are the reasons why.
They don't have an RMT Pwner 1.337 for Windower and Clipper and the like -- but they can sure create events which are not legally possible to be defeated. Anyone defeating them immediately draws the attention of legitimate players and the people watching over the process. Finally, enough people have complained, and, as you said, inb4 Salvage Bans 2.0 .
And it won't come a moment too soon, as if Seekers comes out and you fucktards are of your ilk, you will openly attempt to deny the rest of us (by one means or another) Seekers content.
In response to a call from FFXIAH to just ban all the level 100 gear people, Mizuharu from Bahamut responds:
lol no. Because how are they going to tell the people who did 100+ runs
legit and managed to get a few pieces of gear as a reward for their luck? (I say luck, because that is the #1 key factor in Nyzul Isle.) Camate, tell the devs that this Nyzul Isle either needs
PROVE IT. Prove it, prove it, prove it.
You have a person, Pimpchan, who posted on that very Official Forum board that he would give FIVE UMBRAL MARROWS to anyone who can prove that situation. NO ONE HAS ANSWERED HIS CHALLENGE.
You claim you have 100+ legit runs? Film one, post it, it passes muster, and Pimpchan owes you five Umbral Marrows. Period!
And until someone does (how about you?), I think you're a liar and a cheat. And Neo-Nyzul? Working As Intended.
And then he asks an interesting question which I have wondered a number of times myself:
Would using Vent be considered cheating? Since the original means to
communicate between players was the chat window in FFXI... And Vent lets
you actually TALK talk to others about strats/etc... I'm not asking for
the "are you serious" face or anything. Just popped into mind that
Sqenix might view it as a 3rd party tool... I don't see how it is
Actually, I do see how that is a "third-party tool" -- the only reason it might not be acted upon is if all players have some mechanism (through headphone/microphone setups) to do similar. Otherwise, Vent/Skype/etc. should be declared illegal.
I mean, let's save some time here:
Every means the player community has come up with to accelerate the acquisition of gear, gil, and/or experience points is illegal in one manner or another.
Danita from Siren has a rant which I will just post the page on here. It's post #43 in the thread, and is quite long.
Danita, here's a revelation to you:
Most of the players who believe themselves relevant to this game DO -- NOT -- WANT -- YOU -- HERE.
They believe you, as a casual player who plays with friends, cockblocks THEIR game experience in a game which they own -- and that they own YOUR game experiences along with theirs.
Without effectively the control and domination of this game, they would not be here, and, bluntly, they believe no one else would be either!
This is why end-game was DECIMATED by their misconduct in Salvage. To the point that Square-Enix actually officially said, a couple months later, that it was time to move on from XI to XIV.
ONLY because XIV has come as such a sheer disaster on every conceivable level is this game still in operation, much less receiving it's fifth expansion in 2013!
They -- don't -- want -- you -- playing -- THEIR -- GAME.
Belmonts from Fenrir (and Karbuncle again): That most of them already have the armor is irrelevant. They can lose it in a hurry.
Cahlum from Cerebrus basically makes his application for BitchCheater:
If SE bans any of the tiny amount of players left on this game because of this they are stupid.
If the continuance of this game requires the cheaters, then shut the damn thing down! That's one of the reasons I openly question the intelligence of a 2013 expansion.
Every player who has Level 100 Neo-Nyzul gear needs to be immediately investigated by the Special Task Force.